SWAG77’s Position of Legends!Thrawn vs Rebels!Thrawn

THIS YOUTUBE FROM STAR WARS EXPLAINED Youtube is from 2018.

THE STAR WARS ACTORS GUILD 77 (SWAG77) WHOLLY AGREE WITH MOST OF THE INFORMATION IN THIS YOUTUBE.

FACT: The “founding fathers” of Star Wars Legends (Star Wars Expanded Universe) books KNOW that they are there to ENTERTAIN!!!

As FANS we need to respect that and give them the space to craft their stories to reflect the positions of the entertainment company, Disney Lucasfilm.

THESE STORIES ARE –like the Arthurian Legends (King Arthur) or Robinhood or THE RAMAYANA… There are many more that fans have seen, such as Batman and Superman.

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The Star Wars Franchise has ~40+ years of storytelling, and as stories like these age gracefully, aspects of the the telling or writing the details and elements change or upgraded to a new audience. George Lucas considers his hard work on his movies as artwork. It is why the Original Trilogy has not been remade to use the latest digital technology that affects and changes the story at some point. The story is what is very important to Mr. Lucas as the creator. It is understandable. Who would want their piece of artwork that they worked hard on markedly changed? I know I wouldn’t.

However, movies themselves on film change even in preservation unless special precautions are made. Film used in the twentieth century is not like digital media used today to create movies. And overtime old film can degrade without proper care. The essential story aspects change meaning of stories, which is unfortunate. However studios, like Disney have several methods to preserve their films and the ongoing conversion to digital media. Some, classics cannot be saved completely. That is why there are remakes. The Star Wars Franchise is not there, fortunately because Mr. Lucas like digitizing certain scenes in his Original Trilogy despite changing small aspects of his story. In someway it added to his story because what he did in 1977 could not be done at the time he digitized it in the late 1990s.

However, the stories written that became Legends did not allow younger authors invited to write for Lucasfilm to contribute the abundant and enriched stories relevant to all fans that live in our times. In 1977, people had no concept of an idea of how “lightspeed” would appear on a movie. Now, every fan of the Franchise know exactly what lightspeed is, and are not amazed by seeing that special effect. Fans want more from this Franchise, yet, want to keep the old stories or Legends that cannot be adapted into today’s movies with the entertainment business as it is. Movies studios compete for business, but it is not all by servicing the fans, it is also telling great stories on the screen, and several other strategies and tactics. Film school educates their students about these concepts.

The issue of this post is about Mitth’raw’nuruodo created by the author, Timothy Zahn in 1991. In 1991, Desert Shield that turned into Desert Storm by President H.W. Bush (the Father) based on lunacy that happened to the country, Kuwait annexed by the country, Iraq. There are many reasons why that happened and the actions America took. Popular songs changed from the popularity of the 1980s. Then Rodney King was filmed being beaten by police in California. It was disturbing to the young people of the day. I was one of them.

Many others take scenarios in real life and switch it to fit in a science fiction space opera and science fantasy. That is what Timothy Zahn did skillfully, and Star Wars fans loved it because it roused from the end of the Star Wars movies in 1983. Fans read this story and felt drawn to it, and as they became adults, they desired the story of Thrawn adapted to a movie. But over the whole of the 1990s until late 1997 when it was announced that the Prequels movies were going to made. A new generation could have “their” Star Wars. But the Prequels’ story markedly differed from the memories relished by the fans of the Original Trilogy. Moreover, Thrawn never became to being in live-action in television or movies.

The Prequels partially change the story of the entire Star Wars in that we never knew how the Jedi waned down to one. Now, we know after the movie, Revenge of the Sith. In the Original Trilogy there was no such concept of a Sith. The Prequels created the concept of the Sith that all fans have come to appreciate.

However, there is a schism in the Star Wars Fandom. When Disney purchased Lucasfilm and had control of the stories, those became Legends. The new stories that were a part of the canon and what some of the continuity would follow would become the current timelines. The Legend stories can still be read, but elements might be uses in future projects. The current continuity had to be opened to new authors with the guidance and support of the creators who wrote the Legends stories. The Star Wars Fandom balked and tried to wreck Lucasfilm, the employees, any productions (such as SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY) and any fans that did not side with them.

The Star Wars Actors Guild 77 (SWAG77) did not choose these fans’ side. We decided to take a wait and see mentality to view the new content. The Sequel Trilogy never received fairly by the bulk of these contrarian fans. And to be honest, I suffered and my tiny fan-led business. Because what my business is about is roleplay performance and we do not see a segregation between Legends versus Current Canon. Roleplay performance fundamentally requires to know ALL the information that is at one’s resource. Just like a molecular biological scientist must understand all the literature of their project then create experiements to prove their hyptheses. Once on question is answered, another one arises. What the SWAG77 does is difficult because it is like Star Wars University Graduate School. Only individuals who desire to dive deep into the lore and hardcore story concepts from all perspectives should pursue our course of fandom. It is not about “straddling the fence” or being arrogant, I created our system because it is entertaining to fans on social media. It is fun to me. I know a lot of fans hate my way of think and desire the simplistic. But honestly, until the group has time to show fans what we use to do several years ago, fans will see what we mean. As for now, my fanfictions do not do justice to the roleplay performances.

To learn more, one will have to join SWAG77 that is available above. But the way we perform is a lot for many fans. And the end result is AMAZING! Guarenteed.

I had hope I could build on the fandom of Grand Admiral Thrawn after being harassed heavily by Legends “haters”. I do not see the fans who ran the Give Us Legends activities as “fans” who are supportive to the majority of fans. They can rationalize any reason they want, but doxing me and try to mass report me to social media to destroy my business, is NOT what fandom does to one another. That is hatred. It is not that they disagreed with me. I can accept disagreements. What they did was call me “nigger bitch” to my face since I am an African American woman. They coerce Black men to bash me. No White woman came to my aid and now they cry about how White men are sexist. The use of virtue-signaling in the Star Wars Fandom must stop, too. This mentality that being “woke” is bad and deficient people do it is White Supremacy, and as a revolutionary who has protested the Klu Klux Klan, who has family member lynched, and arrested due to segregation laws. My family has suffered enough and my entertainment joy in Star Wars is owed to me regardless of my color and I can change within. It started with Mitth’raw’nuruodo and the creation of the Get Thrawn In Campaign.

It is also out of respect to TOM KANE who I interviewed in 2015 and kindly did a voiceover for Grand Admiral Thrawn for us. No celebrity does that kind act for us. And it was that youtube we created of which attracted Lucasfilm for a second. SWAG77 or I am not asking for acclaim here, this was done for the Star Wars Fandom of my volition. I thought it would be awesome to see an animated form of Grand Admiral Thrawn, first and then expand it to live-action in television and movies. I did not care which story in the Legends books because to me, it did not matter, he returned to canon, PERIODT.

I do not disrespect Legends because I am a Yuuzhan Vong fan. Every fans should know that about me. I could not justify returning them in 2015 it would be too much work that was not “low hanging fruit”. The Yuuzhan Vong did not relevant real-life events that fans could relate to and understand, such as environmental Climate Change and Global Warming. The Yuuzhan Vong would fix that aspect of planets, but that could destroy the indigenous life on the planet, and if the planet did not change, they destroy it, naturally.

Fans have a right to pursue convincing Disney Lucasfilm of NO THRAWN without the author, Timothy Zahn. Fans are unclear about Zahn’s involvement at this inception of production for the television shows, The Mandalorian and Ahsoka. They feel that the creatives at Lucasfilm did a horrible job of portraying Grand Admiral Thrawn in Star Wars Rebels. I take umbrage with that because they are essentially saying that all the directors, writers, production crew who created the animation, lighting, and sound did not under or comprehend Thrawn to tells episodic stories that included this character. They feel that Zahn could have saved Thrawn if only he was involved. Zahn was involved. But they feel at conventions, how Timothy Zahn is kind to the fans to enthrall them, fail to take his comments in context and misconstrue them.

A Zahn consultation does not mean he was not told. If he had a script to read from Disney Lucasfilm that is the consultation. I am not gaslighting, but a script is very private, Disney Lucasfilm does not hand out scripts without verifications and sign-offs. If Zahn chose not to read it, which I am NOT saying he did not read the script, then that is a consultation.

Having Zahn be the savior of Thrawn is a burden. Zahn took a hiatus from Thrawn before, he can let go of him. He may want to write about Thrawn and Ezra, but there are several other factors in place that prevent that. Ezra and the Rebels crew is Mr. Dave Filoni’s intellectual creation and property, legally. Unless Filoni permits him to write on behalf of his characters is a choice fans cannot force on Disney Lucasfilm or its creatives. There may be contracts that stipulate that. Fans cannot intervene because those proceedings in court take years to complete. And that delays production.

Any content creator are protective of their intellectual property. It is their “baby” and filmmakers are especially protective because of the production process which is involved. Regardless even if Zahn consults on pre-production of live action to portray Thrawn according to a small group of fans less than 10,000 does not merit the numbers to placate Disney. Disney Lucasfilm caters to all fans and audience members. They cannot appease on tiny subset of fans no matter how much they scream foul. It is not enough.

Moreover, it does not allow new employees who have Masters of Fine Arts and can highly contribute to the content, literature, marketing and creativity of Disney Lucasfilm. What “NO THRAWN” is saying these new people are shit. And while it is based on the gross hatred of the Sequel Trilogy and hated by many Star Wars Legends fans will not make any perception of THRAWN better for these individuals. There will always be hatred against the Franchise since Disney purchased it in 2012. Disney Lucasfilm are indifferent to fans’ fervent and passionate feelings of Legends’ material.

That is immature. If fans want Disney Lucasfilm to use the Legends’ material they must use it “ala carte” or “cherry pick” the story elements they want. Meaning they will chose what aspect that fits in the story they will tell and it will be a new story. It still means a handful of Legend’s fans will still dislike it because they like their Star Wars stories VERBATIM. If I can see this fact, you know Disney Lucasfilm has a dedicated division and staff who create reports with statistics that show the numbers based on fans’ perceptions. The creative staff know this fact, too. And it is a matter of numbers. Nevertheless, the enter production and those executives who make decisions, will try hard to make all fans happy. It is NOT because the “customer is always right”, it is because they can care even in the midst of indifference.

But still, as a fan who is open-minded and likes Legends, too, because I have chosen to not participate in this charade of a campaign forcing Disney Lucasfilm to consult Zahn to make Thrawn better under a guise of negativity to start. Whatever goals claimed to reach, will only nominal shift production at best. At worst, shut down production so there are no shows about Star Wars. The risk of that matters about the investment for these shows. Disney invested a lot of money to produce these shows not just for a handful of fans with passionate misguided temper tantrum.

Fact is, the original creator of a book cannot make a TV show or movie better than the crew working together to its entirety. A TV show or movie requires thousands of people working together countless hours. Are these fans saying they will hate the TV show or movie because one character in it was not done “right” due to the original creator of the book was not involved. But they do not KNOW that idea to be true — that the creator of the book, Zahn in this case IS NOT already involved. And see that is where the misinformation starts.

And Disney Lucasfilm is not going to let their investment go to waste over a handful of salty fans who do not comprehend the basics of the TV show and movie production process. Disney Lucasfilm does not make distinction of fans when they can get more. And no one can change THAT particular direction of the “NO THRAWN” action.

WHAT WILL?

The “NO THRAWN” action did not create a sufficient plan to change the minds of why they want Zahn to help make a better Thrawn because he knows the intrinsic of that character. For example, these fans claim that Thrawn would never shoot civilians with his Star Destroyers. In the Legend’s books, that element may be true. However, this is a new story and the first time THRAWN was in a MOTION PICTURE, albeit animation. To display his “villainy” they had to show how he will demonstrate his actions. It was not made to the satisfaction of adults. It was to show kids moral difference between good versus evil. Star Wars Rebels is a children’s show. That distinction must be made quickly — in less than thirty seconds. Children understand that plot point. Just like it was stated in the video.

In a more “adult type” show, such as The Mandalorian, the presence of live-action actors adds a layer of realness to the story, and the behavior of Thrawn can shown efficiently. And the creatives of Lucasfilm can do it efficiently. No doubt. I trust the creatives. All of them. I am unbothered.

The question to ask is: WHAT DOES A MORE ACCURATE THRAWN LOOK LIKE IF ZAHN WAS PRESENT AT THE PRE-PRODUCTION?

WHAT DOES THRAWN NEED TO HAVE FANS SAY, “YES, THAT’S RIGHT, THAT’S THE THRAWN I WANT TO SEE?”

WHAT DOES THAT SATISFACTION TRULY MEAN – AN UPTICK IN NIELSEN RATINGS, EMMY AWARDS, OR GOLDEN GLOBES–WHAT?

WHAT ARE THE MEASUREMENTS THAT THIS “NO THRAWN” ACTION TO SAY THEY HAVE SUCCEEDED IN THEIR QUEST – THAT THEY SEE PICTURES OF ZAHN THERE? HOW CAN DISNEY LUCASFILM PROVE THAT? YOUTUBES?

HOW CAN DISNEY LUCASFILM SATISFACTORILY MEET “NO THRAWN’S” ACTION’S AND GOAL’S NEEDS?

Think about it – they can do HD 3D display of the back of Zahn’s head that looks like him, buried with crew. Will these fans ever know it? It is a foolish promise to make. Why appease the behavior of wily handful when the mass of fans just want to see Thrawn in Live-Action?

It is the reason why SWAG77 or I can not get behind this negative direct action campaign of “NO THRAWN” at this time until these questions can be addressed.

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SWAG77 Wants To End Star Wars Fan Toxicity By Encouraging Creative Expression Using Soap Opera and Telenovela Formats

Star Wars Actors Guild 77 discovered early that roleplay performances are crafted like soap operas with angsty drama. But to do that, part of the RP had to be staged. A behavioral idea with a lead on to an ending. To action sequences. To a conclusion, and then a cliffhanger ending (or not) to the denouement.

How many of us had to watch soap operas with grandma?

It seems that the popularity of mid-day soap operas is waning for talk shows and reality TV. Streaming services have changed the availability of new soap operas. Many people have grown up with grandma watching her shows:

Soap operas have been around since the 1930s as radio dramatic series. One sponsor was Proctor and Gamble, who sold soap at that time, and therefore, these stories were called “soap operas.”

What is the purpose of soap opera?

Soap operas’ plots express a fictional reality that is inserted into a concrete social reality. The representations built by the soap operas are associated with the daily life and social contexts in which they are immersed. The images transmitted are highly related to society’s values and beliefs.

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There is a difference between Telenovelas and soap operas in that a Telenovela is a Latin American serial drama similar to a soap opera in plot development but having a broader audience and airing during prime time rather than daytime…Telenovelas are characterized by a continuing melodramatic storyline and a permanent cast.

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Examples of Telenovela

There is disagreement on how Star Wars as a genre is classified. It is science fiction? Is it science fantasy? Is it a space opera? Accordingly:

Star Wars is typically characterized as belonging to the space opera genre. Many classic space opera serials such as Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers were among the impressions that inspired George Lucas into making the Star Wars movies.

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A space opera is not a soap opera, according to many fans. However, those who say this comment is mostly male and cannot possibly be associated with a show devoted to women daily. It is said that Star Wars is not a “soap opera” because the key part of a soap opera is its duration. Lots of episodes, lots of characters. The people and the (mundane) things happen to them over long periods of time (source).

Fans also say that Star Wars a space opera that is melodramatic movies or television shows, set in space, with plenty of space warfare, and most importantly, cut scenes show the development of different characters like a soap opera (source).

Whereas, there are objections that Star Wars is a space soap opera because of historical precedence. “Space opera” from 1941 author Wilson Tucker as a pejorative term in an article in Le Zombie (a science fiction fanzine). At the time, serial radio dramas in the United States had become popularly known as soap operas because many were sponsored by soap manufacturers (source).

But yet, by some critics, Star Wars is separate science fantasy space opera because the genre has more definable rules. Star Wars might be space fantasy or space opera. But its setting is still a science fiction setting. Star Wars’ world is built on science-fictional devices and technology; the technology does not tell the story; there are lightsabers, droids, or hyperdrives. Science fiction is in the Star Wars universe, and by default, Star Wars is science fiction. These science fictional elements, such as starships, robots, and laser guns, are not present in the real world at this time. Until that time, Star Wars is science fiction (source).


Regardless of the cast of characters, duration, and episode; or the lack of space warfare; or the historical precedence; or scientific and technological elements that are fictional, Star Wars in the presence of romantically linked relationships (ships) as read or performed are space soap operas in practice, despite the fandom gender that enjoys the production.

Therefore, the Star Wars Actors Guild 77 (SWAG77) enjoys shipping in the presence of a cast of characters, duration, multiple episodes, space warfare, and lack of historical precedence or science and technology fictional elements, we have created a system where our goal is to read, write and perform our roleplays on social media like soap opera and telenovela developments.

We think our goal works because we have tested several years ago and were able to gauge audience response like watching a soap opera.

We have encountered several problems, such as platform issues, users not realizing we staged our RP productions, nor really knowing we had many back ends and behind-the-scenes work. They think our pursuits in shipping are superfluous and foolish to have sex. And then, when we do serious close to canon RP, we have to use canon characters.

Since the Disney schism of canonicity, we have been stretched to pick a side or assumed we are ignorant if we do not support either claim. We are about the exact techniques used to develop Star Wars as a soap opera on social media. Whatever that takes. We use to recruit, but now, we no longer do this process because it is involved, and most people use social media as distractions or casually discarding comments as useless.

While that content is on personal accounts, we have to determine why there is discordance to improve our product or performance for business roleplay accounts. There is none. Some individuals are “spoons” who like to stir up shit. And it does not matter about the content; these groups’ only guide is to re-creation and world domination that contributes nothing academic with a scholarship to improve lives through reading, writing, and performance with appreciation, like SWAG77 tenets since 2007.

Also, some audience members do not realize how much staging we do for our RP productions. We created our performance plots to see how our audience will respond and hope they enjoy our performance. That makes social media a testing ground focus group. Soap opera creation inherently tests that from a live performance and improvisational training. Other tactic many users on social media do not want to do because of the casual nature of social media.

We think our goals are important to Star Wars and its fandom because of the Disney Schism. Star Wars fans are at each other’s throats levying toxicity that rips into the hearts of fans to wreck their persona. That has happened to SWAG77 members, and we have done it to others in self-defense. It is easier to manage fans in this manner than just to let it go. We cannot say we have not avoided bad and toxic behavior.

However, we believe as long as we stick close to our tenets: READING — preferably Star Wars because no fan is well-read and knows everything; WRITING — because that improves self-expression and clarity in ideas and concepts — it brings value to oneself, and we like to RP Perform, but this is also demonstration directly ones creativity in this fandom with more appreciation for the development of Star Wars. Performing fan art creation, crafts, cosplay, and fan films — anything that demonstrates an appreciation of fandom — end toxicity. Because our tenets are universal, our tenets are broad in their interpretation. Our tenets are long-lasting and expand one’s Star Wars fandom, and we, SWAG77, are about that.

While other groups do that in their own ways, the toxicity, segregation, isolation, and exclusion hurt all fandom, not just the individual.

We end fan toxcity through the encouragement of creative expression and love.

Because as owner, SWAG77 believes what Dr. Martin Luther King, a Jedi (Djedi) before we knew what one was, said:

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Star Wars Rebels: The Vernissage (15863 words) by SWAG_77
Chapters: 8/?
Fandom: Star Wars – All Media Types, Star Wars Legends – All Media Types, Star Wars: Rebels
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Thrawn | Mitth’raw’nuruodo, Darth Vader, Stormtroopers, Chiss Troopers, Imperials – Character, Sabine Wren, Lando Calrissian, Rebels – Character, The Emperor, Sheev Palpatine | Darth Sidious
Additional Tags: Observations, Star Wars Actors Guild 77, SWAG 77
Series: Part 1 of Get Thrawn In Star Wars Rebels
Summary:

Mitth’raw’nuruodo, a Chiss Imperial Officer distant emotions with a cool reflective to lead his sector fleet in the Galactic Empire. His strategies and tactics work better when he is devoid of emotion, as taught by the Chiss Ascendancy House Nuruodo. He was exiled from his people as punishment for an outburst he had in Chiss Space. Or at least that is what is on the official record. Found on an undeveloped planet, the Galactic Empire embraced him and he rose through the Imperial ranks to a Grand Admiral. Life is lonely at the top. It bores him, the people, the slow pace, the loneliness. His personal studies in art and antiquities brought him creature-comfort joy. Then he met a young Rebel woman, a Mandalorian, an artist that excites his fascination in the galaxy and gives him room to breathe, creatively. A fiery passion ignites his desires. The Chiss thought the Ascendancy excise those genes from the gene pool through eugenics. Turns out his desires for community are not genetic. His desires expand and reverberate continuously in the Force.

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